Episode 018: FemTech and The Women’s Health Revolution with Dr. Brittany Barreto
Dr. Brittany Barreto is the co-founder, executive director and podcast host of FemTech Focus: a nonprofit that’s revolutionizing the women’s health tech (femtech) industry through connection, capital and collaborative innovation. She’s on a mission to disrupt the male-centric status quo in healthcare, and bring much-needed focus and funding to underserved women’s issues.
As a geneticist-turned-venture-capitalist (and founder of the world’s first ever DNA-based dating app), Brittany is a true trailblazer at the intersection of entrepreneurship and science. Since founding FemTech Focus in March 2020, the organization has bloomed into a unique launchpad for healthcare workers, entrepreneurs and investors to come together and improve health outcomes for women everywhere – in addition to becoming the #1 femtech podcast in the world.
In this episode, Brittany dives into her journey as a scientist and entrepreneur, the founding and evolution of FemTech focus, the pervasiveness of gender bias at all levels of healthcare/research, and why tackling gendered inequities in the health sector is vital to the empowerment of women everywhere.
“Women are so much more than just birthing, we're more than wombs. We're so much more. And we deserve all of the innovation, all of the funding…and we deserve to not be censored.”
- What inspired Brittany’s career as a geneticist and her journey toward becoming a “woman of influence”
- All about Pheramor, the first-of-its-kind DNA-based dating app that Brittany launched in 2016
- How her transition into venture capitalism sparked a passion for women’s health innovation and femtech, and ultimately led her to Start FemTech Focus
- How FemTech Focus has evolved over the past year from a fledgeling podcast to a groundbreaking nonprofit
- Highlights from the FemTech Focus Podcast: interviews with the founder of CBD-infused tampon company, Daye, and the CEO of Evofem Biosciences, which created the first non-hormonal contraception
- The impact of historical and ongoing gender bias and inequity in the health sector, including the exclusion of women from clinical trials until 1993
References: Women In Clinical Research
Dr. Brittany Barreto is the Co-Founder, Executive Director and Podcast Host of FemTech Focus. While finishing her PhD in genetics at Baylor College of Medicine, Brittany became the CEO and Co-Founder of the revolutionary dating app Pheramor. The ambitious venture was the first nationwide DNA-based dating app. She then embarked on a new path into venture capital as the Senior Venture Associate at Capital Factory, where she was tasked with launching the fund's Houston branch. Under her leadership, the Houston accelerator portfolio grew by an impressive 205% and she led due diligence on several successful investments. Brittany now has her sights set on advancing the women’s health and wellness community through her latest world-changing venture: FemTech Focus. She is host of the FemTech Focus Podcast which has over 100 episodes, 30K downloads and subscribers in 100 countries. FemTech Focus has assisted hundreds of femtech founders to build, launch and succeed through their events, resources and market research reports. Additionally, Brittany is a founding partner and emerging fund manager at Coyote Ventures, an early-stage femtech investment firm.
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Jessica Wiliams 0:02
Welcome to the Days for Girls Podcast, a show about breaking barriers for women and girls around the world. I'm your host, Jessica Wiliams, Chief Communications Officer at Days for Girls International. At Days for Girls, we believe in a world where periods are never a problem. We are on a mission to shatter the stigma and limitations associated with menstruation by increasing access to sustainable period products and menstrual health education for all people with periods.
Dr. Brittany Barreto is the Co-Founder, Executive Director, and Podcast Host of FemTech Focus. While finishing her PhD in genetics at Baylor College of Medicine, Brittany became the CEO and Co-Founder of the revolutionary dating app Pheramor. This ambitious venture was the first nationwide DNA-based dating app. She then embarked on a new path into venture capital as the senior venture associate a capital factory in Houston, Texas. Brittany now has her sights on advancing the women's health and wellness community through her latest world-changing venture, FemTech Focus. She is the host of the FemTech Focus Podcast, which has over 100 episodes, 30,000 downloads and subscribers in 100 countries. FemTech Focus has assisted hundreds of FemTech founders to build, launch and succeed through their events, resources and market research reports. Additionally, Brittany is founding partner and emerging fund manager at Coyote Ventures, an early stage FemTech investment firm. I loved this conversation! Brittany is such an interesting guest, so I can't wait to share it with you. Let's go on to the show. Brittany, welcome to the show. I am so excited to have this conversation with you today. How are you?
Brittany Barreto 1:52
I'm doing awesome. Thank you.
Jessica Wiliams 1:54
Good. You're a fellow podcaster. Yay!
Brittany Barreto 1:57
Yay, I talk for a living!
Jessica Wiliams 2:01
I know, it's so fun. I just adore podcasting. How about you?
Brittany Barreto 2:07
Oh my gosh, like I seriously can't even believe it. I love when people ask me what I do for a living, and I say I'm a podcaster. I still can't believe it.
Jessica Wiliams 2:19
Well, we just love your podcast here at Days for Girls, and you recently had our CEO Celeste on and I'm really excited to share that episode when it comes out. So we thought we would, you know, turn around and have you on our show as well. So I think this is going to be awesome.
Brittany Barreto 2:34
Definitely. You know, I'm happy to be here.
Jessica Wiliams 2:36
Cool. So first of all, because I interview people from all over the world, where are you from? Where do you live?
Brittany Barreto 2:43
So originally from New Jersey, and the United States. And then I moved to Houston, Texas for eight years doing graduate school and then my company. And we'll talk more about that. But actually during the pandemic, I just got really tired and my studio apartment in downtown Houston, and wanted to prioritize my mental health. And that, for me looks like nature. And so I moved to Raleigh, North Carolina in September 2020. And I'm really loving it here.
Jessica Wiliams 3:13
Wow, you didn't know this, but I am from North Carolina. I grew up in Winston Salem, and my sister lives in Raleigh. So very familiar with the area. It's a great place to be. So Brittany, I was doing some research on your background. And one of the things that really stands out to me, that's so interesting is that you have a PhD in genetics. And my first question is just, I've got to know what made you pursue that field of study.
Brittany Barreto 3:44
So in seventh grade, I was 12 years old. We studied rocks, geology, and I nearly failed. And I can remember being a 12 year old little girl and telling my mom how much I hated science. I hate science. I hate it. I hate it turns out I just hate rocks. And I, the next year in eighth grade, we learned about cellular biology. We learned about the powerhouse of the cell, the mitochondria. And we learned about adenine and thymine and that these like little nucleotides make you who you are. And I just my mind was blown. So I actually knew from like 13 that like I wanted to do something with DNA. I thought that was going to be a genetic counselor. And then in high school or college, I shadowed a genetic counselor for the day. And if anyone is listening, wondering what career they want, I highly recommend shadowing someone for the day because it totally changed my mind. It seemed like actually a really sad job. Like the person was just telling parents that their babies were going to be sick and they had to make a hard choice. And I was like, wow, I'm way too sensitive for this. I can not have this as a career. And so, you know, I essentially ran back to my academic advisor and said, oh my god I love DNA, but the job I thought I wanted is actually the worst! And he suggested I do a research internship in his laboratory that summer. Turns out, I have a knack for working in the lab. And, you know, next thing I knew the trajectory was to get a PhD in it.
Jessica Wiliams 5:17
So when you are while you're getting your degree, it seems like you co-founded a DNA based dating app. And I'm all I can think is like, it reminds me of that movie that just came out on Netflix. It's called The One. Yeah. Did they name that after you because like…
Brittany Barreto 5:35
Oh, my gosh, well, yeah, so I was the founder of Pheramor. The first nationwide DNA-based dating app, we match singles using a cheek swab. Looking at genes that can predict attraction between individuals. The reason why there was a – you know, a startup (mine), there is also a book called The One, which is what the Netflix show The One is based off of – all of it exists because it is actually really old and well established science since the 60s. And there's over three decades of research showing that genes can predict who you're going to be attracted to. And so that's what I based my app off of. That's what that individual wrote the book off of, and that's, you know, what Netflix is doing. It's so funny, when that first came out, I posted on my Twitter and was like, okay all, please save your private messages. No, that's not my [inaudible]. No, it's not about us, you know, and I still get all these messages. But it's kind of cool. Yeah. So I started Pheramor in 2016. Honestly, it was right after the presidential election in the United States. I was really disturbed at the direction of our country. And so I decided, I want to be a woman of influence. And I thought at the time, well, usually people with money have influence. So how am I going to make money? And I thought I have this crazy idea for a DNA-based dating app ever since I learned about it in genetics class, you know, you can predict who's attracted to who. So December 2016, I started Pheramor, I ended up raising $1.3 million from Angels in Texas. And I built an app and I did it, you know, like we launched it. And we added about 20,000 singles on the app. And, you know, we formed relationships. And we did that for about two years.
Jessica Wiliams 7:26
Does that app still exist today? Like what happened to it?
Brittany Barreto 7:30
So it does not exist today. You can google it: Pheramor. It's like pheromones and love, P-H-E-R-A-M-O-R. And what happened was in March 2019, Apple changed their policies around who can ask for DNA in the App Store. So previously, anyone was allowed to make an app and ask you for your genome, you know, send you send them your spit, or whatever. But, you know, as a geneticist, I think it's a great idea. They started to put some boundaries around who can ask for that, as a business owner, it totally was awful. Because we got kicked off the App Store. Aating apps are not allowed to ask for your DNA. And so you know, people say, well, what can you [inadubile]? Why did you tell them? I said, listen to the FBI. They're not gonna listen to me. So… and they didn't. At that point, I was in the process of raising my series around from venture capitalists, they found out we got kicked off the App Store, they pulled their money. We didn't have a lot of money left. Anyways, we tried to hail mary. So if anyone looks me up, and they see something that says, we have chemistry.com, you may be like, wait, what's that? That's the Hail Mary. We had about 50k left. And we tried to make a couple's website for couples to find their scientific love language, but we just ran out of time and money. And I ended up closing Pheramor in June 2019.
Jessica Wiliams 8:53
Yeah, no shame in that. So crazy story – wow. I'm like wondering… I'm like, oh my gosh, I would love to have my DNA tested with my partner's. You know, that's so cool.
Brittany Barreto 9:07
It's really fascinating. It's a great icebreaker on dating apps to talk about that, you know. But you know, it did what I wanted it to, and I look back and yeah, it was really hard. I mean, I feel like I've grieved it enough that now I can say, like, wow, I'm really proud of what happened. But, you know, at the time, it was tough, but it did what I wanted it to, right? I became a woman of influence. I became a woman who knew how to build like, companies, you know, and I and I took that into my next thing.
Jessica Wiliams 9:37
So tell us about your next thing. You go on to be a senior associate with a venture capital firm. Can you tell us more about that?
Brittany Barreto 9:43
So venture capital firms are essentially these big pots of money that invest in startups and so, you know, I was raising money from them when I was a founder. And then once Pheramor closed, there was a firm in Texas based out of Austin. They wanted to launch a Houston branch, I knew the Houston market really well. So they hired me to launch their Houston branch. They also had an accelerator associated with it. So my job was to recruit startups in the Houston area, get them into our programming. And then if they were doing really well making an investment decision on whether or not we should make an investment into that company, and I just loved it, because I love impact. I love making, you know, big waves. And there's something about being a founder and having to focus on a single product. And there's something about being an investor where you can have a portfolio of 20 products. And that kind of just feels like 20x the impact to me. And so I really like that. I love mentoring and I'm a unique venture capitalist who really loves to roll my sleeves up and have one on ones and whiteboard with founders and break things down. I've done a lot of lectures that are on YouTube, like, I really enjoy demystifying startups and fundraising process for founders. And I also learned something else that was really useful, which was investors are not as smart as I thought they were. Like, I was always really, really scared of investors, even while fundraising. I thought like, they're all-knowing, they have MBAs, like I'm just a scientist, and you know, they must know all these financial things that I don't know about. And this worked for them. And I realized, like, yeah, they have MBAs, but I'm a geneticist. Like, I think I can spar here, you know? Right? So I felt like, oh, I don't need to be afraid. In fact, I think it could be amazing. And I'm done. You know.
So anyways, that was, you know, a big, big realization in terms of what career I wanted. And then the last issue there was that I was working in Houston. So there was a lot of like, oil and gas startups and supply chain management, logistics shipping, stuff just bored me to tears. Bored me to tears I like could not, I didn't know. But whenever I came across a medical device, or therapeutic or digital health, because Houston also has the largest medical center in the world. So we did have a lot of biotech and healthcare innovations happening. Whenever one of those came across my desk, I was excited. But whenever it was addressing women's health, I found myself like canceling the rest of my day. So I could just work with that founder. Like just totally obsessed, I found that every time I met someone innovating in women's health, it was like they were the first to ever acknowledge that issue for women. You know, it was always… it wasn't like, well, we're better than these other 20 competitors. It was more like, this still doesn't exist, the diagnostics test for ovarian cancer and women are dying. And so we're gonna fix that. And I was like, Yeah, that sounds important. Like, you deserve my mentoring. You deserve my support, you deserve my attention. And so that's when I discovered an industry called femtech, which is innovation in women's health and wellness.
Jessica Wiliams 13:14
I love it. Your journey is so fun. Okay. So femtech is, you know, technology in the in the women's health space. So tell us how you approach that, like, what are you doing in that space to help that sector?
Brittany Barreto 13:31
You know, once I realized that, oh, this thing I'm really into has a name. It's called femtech. I said, oh, good, I'll just Google it. And I'll find a job. And I go to indeed, and you know, Monster, and like, I put in femtech. And it's like, does not compute, like, what is that deck? And I'm like, okay, so I start to Google, like femtech venture funds. At the time in 2019, there was only one portfolio. And I was like, there's only one femtech [inaudible], like what the heck? And I was like, surely there's a conference, let me attend a conference or network…there was no conference! I was like, what the heck is happening? And I finally had this moment where I realized, oh my gosh, women's health is an emerging industry. Nobody's taking the time to build out a community for people working in women's health innovation. Now, there's plenty of women's health stuff, right. A lot of times though, it has to do with, like infertility or birthing. Like if you think about any women's hospital, like it's actually just a birthing center, right. Like, I don't know of any women's hospitals that just have like, giant clitoris statues outside, right? No, it's somebody holding a baby.
And so I just, it just kind of all started to come to me and I said, oh, gosh, I feel my founder genes lighting up. And I said, oh, I think I have to make something. And so, um, you know, I started to think: what am I going to do, what I'm going to do? And one of the things I really wished there was, was a podcast for me to listen to and learn and – so fast, you know, months are going by and I'm like noodling on, what am I going to do? And March 2020, happens, we go into lockdown, right? And I find myself with more time on my hands, because I'm just at home and in my studio apartment, decide, hey, you know what, I can do a podcast! I watched some YouTube videos, learn how to upload it to a podcasting site, and was like, you could do this! And recorded it literally on my phone. I just interviewed people in the women's health space, started to…you know, the editing was essentially copying and pasting in GarageBand and uploading it. And next thing I knew I had, like, 1000 listeners, and I was like, what the heck is happening? How did they even find this? And what I realized was that there were thousands of other people like me, who are desperate for a femtech community. And we're looking up femtech, and no one – nothing – was showing up. And so when they look now, when they look at femtech, FemTech Focus Podcast shows up. So they started to listen, they started to reach out, they started saying, wow, this is this is what I was looking for! This is incredible.
And, you know, I had no idea the statistics of this or that: oh, wow, this is so important. So by June of 2020, I had about 10,000 listeners at that point, and a few dozen countries, and I had a sponsor reach out and I said, yep! So I quit my day job, as a VC and started podcasting full time. Since then, FemTech Focus has grown into much more than just a podcast, although that's kind of our flagship thing. We are a 501(c)3 nonprofit, because it's all about awareness and education and supporting the early stage startup. So it really fits well with the 501(c)3 mindset. And we have the podcast, over 100 episodes, about 30,000 listeners and 100 countries. We have a virtual community with about 1000 members in there. We have weekly events. So Monday night, we have a podcast listening party, where we have what we call “fem fans,” people in the community that are just really excited. We get together Monday night, super casual – people bring wine, cocktails, whatever and their dinners and we listen to a podcast episode together and invite the speaker. And we have bi-weekly workshops on building growing and launching your companies. You know, we have a lot of amazing – we just had a summit with about 300 attendees, the keynote speaker was Jesse Draper from Halogen Ventures. So some pretty big name folks. And it's been it's been quite the ride. And I absolutely love it. I mean, Phermore was fun, but I still woke up kind of dreading the day because startups are stressful. Like, I'm way less funded than I was at Pheramore, and I feel more free and happy. Because I'm waking up and talking about things that I know there's a purpose for in the world, and someone needs to, you know, talk about it. And I feel privileged that it's me for right now.
Jessica Wiliams 18:24
So, you interview I mean, all kinds of interesting guests, because they are working on the front lines of trying to solve problems in women's health. So can you share with us like maybe one or two of the most interesting founders that you've interviewed? I know it's hard to pick but I'm looking here at like, CBD infused tampons, you know, and I'm thinking, fascinating! So, just share with folks like some of the episodes and what they could expect on the show.
Brittany Barreto 18:54
Oh, totally. So that CBD infused tampon one, that company's called Daye, which is D-A-Y-E. And it is such a cool company. The woman is out of England, the UK, she actually funded their her clinical trials because tampons are actually a medical device. So class one med device because it goes in the body. So she needed clinical trials to even create her CBD infused tampons for pain relief. And no one would fund her because all the investors said, well, that's what Advil is for. Why would women need a CBD infused tampon? Like they could just take Advil. And she was so fed up, she took out credit cards and funded her clinical trials on her own credit cards because she had that much faith in it. And she has since been funded and is live in Europe and expanding to the US pretty soon. So they are incredible company. I mean, that's like, that's risk right? And also faith. That's a lot of faith. So that's a great episode.
One of my other favorite interviews was with Sondra Pelletier. She is the CEO of Evofem Biosciences. It's actually a publicly traded company, you may have seen commercials on TV for their drug called Phexxi. Phexxi is the first non-hormonal birth control. So birth control was created in the 60s and pretty much has been updated. And so you know, we live our lives with hormone free chicken, hormone free cows, but yet women are walking around being filled with hormones. And so if you are a breast – if you're a cancer survivor, you can't have hormones. If you are, you know, someone who, you know, has a side effects to birth control, you don't have that many other options. And so Phexxi is a one time use, like, medicine that is put into the vagina prior to sex, and it actually maintains your pH of the vagina, because semen actually changes your pH in order for it to survive. And so, ladies, ask yourself, is it worth it to change your pH? Cause that's what happens. And Phexxi essentially maintains a vaginal pH, which makes it deadly to sperm. So that was just like an incredible interview. Because, you know, I didn't realize that 50% of pregnancies in the United States are unplanned. And so if anyone thinks contraception is a done deal, solved issue, it is not. And we need a lot more innovation there.
Jessica Wiliams 21:28
We absolutely do. I agree. As a woman who is struggling to find the right contraception for her. Yeah, there are not enough options. So I'm really excited to check out this Phexxi. I've never heard of that. That's really cool,
Brittany Barreto 21:41
Yeah, check out Phexxi. And also, it's just kind of, it's crazy. Because, you know, right now, what's going on in the world is that Johnson & Johnson vaccine just got paused, because one out of a million chance of a blood clot. But birth control currently has a rate of one out of 1000 chance of a blood clot. And so what that tells me is just, where people's – and by people I mean society's – standards are, and like, what risks women are allowed to take versus regular society, aka, including men. So it's like, it's absolutely insane to me, you know, women weren't included in clinical trials until 1993. It was literally illegal for women to be included in clinical trials till 1993. And so that's resulted in, you know, like five times more side effects in women than men, because drugs that go to market oftentimes have never been tested in a woman's metabolism, than men. And there's lots of other really fun facts actually, like, men's metabolism is about 30% faster than women's. And so you know how women are like always the ones that are cold in the office or in like, room, it's because literally our metabolism is 30% slower. And so even like, climate control, like air conditioning is based on men instead of women. So yeah.
Jessica Wiliams 23:08
Well, I know that because I everywhere I've ever been, I've been cold. And anytime I had an office, I always had a space heater next to me because I was freezing and so did every other woman in the office. It's hilarious.
Brittany Barreto 23:20
Yup, and it's literally science. It's science. But society says all women, you know, you're so sensitive. Put a sweater on, take some Advil.
Jessica Wiliams 23:29
Right. So okay, wait a minute, I just got to go back. Women weren't allowed in clinical trials until 1993. Come on – seriously?
Brittany Barreto 23:39
Oh, yeah. Well, not even required. It's just now you could if you wanted to.
Jessica Wiliams 23:45
So okay, so how did they test birth control before 1993?
Brittany Barreto 23:51
Gosh, on like animals?
Jessica Wiliams 23:53
Oh, my gosh…
Brittany Barreto 23:56
I know. I know.
Jessica Wiliams 23:57
Ah, that totally freaks me out. I'm looking back at my book – have you read that book, Invisible Women?
Brittany Barreto 24:06
Oh, yeah, we actually have a book club with femtech focus. And so every month we read a book and we invite the author and go through it and Invisible Women is one of our books coming up this month. We're reading Doing Harm. And it's all about clinical trials and drugs and not considering, you know, women's metabolism and our menstrual cycle. There's actually a lab out of Switzerland. And they study nanoparticles, delivering drugs in the body. And so oftentimes, nanoparticles delivering drugs is used for cancer treatment. So the nanoparticle will bring the drug directly to the tumor. And so you hopefully don't get all these other side effects. Well, turns out they had somebody mess up in the laboratory, a grad student used a female mouse in the experiments and rather than a male mouse, which even the gender bias goes all the way down to the cell lines we use in cell culture. They're all male cells. We always use male animals. So we actually don't even incorporate female health all the way down into animal studies. So it's very farreaching. But some grad student messed up and used the female mouse and their nanoparticle in research, took the picture, brought it to their professor. He said, you silly grad student, like you used the female mouse. There's their uterus, and the grad student said, yeah, and look at it, look at the uterus. And he said, oh my god, the female mouse is on its period and all the nanoparticles with the drug for like the liver, the the spleen, some other part, all congregated into the menstruating, you know, uterus. And he was like, oh, I don't know if anyone's ever looked at it. Like women are on their period and they get nanoparticle delivered drugs that that may affect it. Like no one's ever looked.
Jessica Wiliams 25:49
Oh, my gosh, that's horrifying! I'm so glad you're out there doing this work and amplifying the voices of these women who are, you know – do you find that it's mostly women driving the innovations in women's health? Are there some men?
Brittany Barreto 26:08
Yes, I do see that. So we, we have a database of about 650 active FemTech startups in the world, and 80% of them are female-founded. So we do have about 20% male-founded and we love our our male allies, we actually think that men have to be in the conversation. I usually say, you know, a lot of women worked on Viagra. So I want a lot of men working on whatever the hell we need. And so yeah, we are not a man hating group. We are absolutely feminist, but we're not angered. And we're very welcoming to all genders. We even have pretty, you know, bullish stance on trans health as well, because it's people with vaginas or ovaries, regardless of how you identify.
Jessica Wiliams 26:56
That's great. Love it. Yeah, we support that, too. So if people want to get access to your resources and maybe join your book club, like want to get involved with the work that you're doing, do they have to become a member? How does that work?
Brittany Barreto 27:11
Yeah, great question. So first and foremost, just listen to the podcast would be super fun. You know, a lot of people say they listen to it while they take a good walk, or they're doing dishes. So check out the podcast, it's on every live, you know, streaming service, like Spotify and iTunes, just look at FemTech Focus. And then you can go to femtechfocus.org. And there's a button on there that says join our virtual community. And that's actually the best way. So the website has a ton of resources, you can go to the resource tab, the events tab and check everything out there. But if you just subscribe and you click that button that says join our virtual community, you'll make a little profile. And that's where you'll be with the other thousand femtech…you know, you don't have to be a founder to join, you just have to be a, you know, someone interested, we have like all college students, and they're interested like, what is femtech we have investors, doctors. So joining that community really allows you to see all of the other little things that we're doing, like book club.
Jessica Wiliams 28:05
Fantastic. Well, we will put all of those links in the shownotes for everyone to find, and along with the episodes that we talked about today, and then the links to the podcast as well. So, Brittany, this has just been so much fun. You are just a powerhouse. And I'm so impressed. And thank you for coming on the show.
Brittany Barreto 28:28
Of course, no problem! Yeah, if I had a request for the world, it would be like, we have statues of the clitoris in front of hospitals. [Laughter] Women are so much more than just birthing you know, wombs. We're more than wombs. We're so much more. And we deserve all of the innovation, all of the funding, the r&d funding, and we we deserve to not be censored – we should be able to say breast and vulva and know the right words for the right parts. And I and I love what Days for Girls is doing because although maybe not AI or blockchain, y'all are really changing women's lives around the world. And we need to consider what does innovation look like for the girls of the Congo, the girls in you know, the Amazon, the menstruators around the world? And sometimes it doesn't always look like an app. It looks like different things. So I love what y'all are doing too.
Jessica Wiliams 29:25
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